ReImagine Vail-Community Survey, Preservation Plan

Tools we can use to inspire Vail’s future was presented for the first time in Vail on July 19, 2014. What can you imagine along Vail’s main street? A park, safe walkways for students between Acacia Elementary and Old Vail Middle School, a town center that reflects the values of Vail and that will be an economic engine as well as provide a sense of place? Pima County will be completing promised road improvements to Colossal Cave Road soon. But what’s next? How can the past inspire the future? With active resident participation it can.

Working with the University of Arizona and the National Park Service, the Vail Preservation Society is proud to debut the draft Vail Preservation Plan. After input from our community is incorporated into the plan it will become a tool we can all utilize to work towards the future we envision for our community. We invite you to read the results of the ReImagine Vail online survey.

ReImagine Vail Survey Results

Q1 How important is protecting open space
as Vail grows?
56.16% 82 Extremely Important
32.88% 48 Important
9.59% 14 Somewhat important
0.00% 0 No Opinion
2.74% 4 Not Important
Answered: 146 Skipped: 0
Total Respondents: 14

1 Once open space is lost there is little or no chance to get it back. Road setbacks would help in preserving some of the land. 8/16/2014 12:02 PM
2 I hate to see housing developments devour all the open space. There needs to be control of this. 8/2/2014 6:09 PM
3 we need open space however we need some things brought to the area to keep mom and pop shops going. 7/16/2014 8:45 PM
4 We don’t protect it and once it’s gone, it’s GONE! 7/15/2014 7:11 PM
5 Some planned open space is good but don’t get carried away. Development brings tax revenue and tax revenue pays for the stuff
you’re talking about.
7/15/2014 1:04 PM
6 STOP digging up virgin soil. Plow over the old neighborhoods and rebuild those before putting a shovel into virgin soil for another
house or Wal-Mart.
7/7/2014 7:01 PM
7 This is important as long as access is maintained. 7/7/2014 8:55 AM
8 The open viewscape, open spaces, mountain views and open unspoiled desert are one of the things we love best about Vail. 6/29/2014 11:06 PM

Q2 How important is protecting the
panoramic views in and around Vail?

Answered: 145 Skipped: 1
Total Respondents: 145
62.07% 90 Extremely Important
31.03% 45 Important
4.83% 7 Somewhat Important
0.00% 0 No Opinion
2.76% 4 Not Important

1 The Cienega and the surrounding mountains are part of what defines Vail. 8/16/2014 12:02 PM
2 All of us moved to Vail because of the spectacular views. 8/2/2014 6:09 PM
3 Vitally! That’s why we moved here 14 years ago! 7/15/2014 7:11 PM
4 With state and federal land, you don’t need to worry about the panoramic views going anywhere. 7/15/2014 1:04 PM
5 No more of those damn 2- or more story McMansions. They are an eyesore that only “families” want and families want new, not
pre-owned.
7/7/2014 7:01 PM
6 The open viewscape, open spaces, mountain views and open unspoiled desert are one of the things we love best about Vail. 6/29/2014 11:06 PM

Q3 How important is providing a park with
a playground near Vail’s town center?

Answered: 145 Skipped: 1
Total 145
39.31% 57 Extremely Important
28.97% 42 Important Somewhat
18.62% 27 Important
5.52% 8 No Opinion
7.59% 11 Not Important

1 Kids need places to play. 8/16/2014 12:02 PM
2 There are not near enough parks in and around Vail. One at the town center would be great. 8/2/2014 6:09 PM
3 Just making sure that it shoes not become a hangout for inappropriate activities and actions 8/1/2014 6:22 PM
4 with so many children we need an activity for them 7/16/2014 8:45 PM
5 We desperatly need a dog park! 7/16/2014 3:37 PM
6 The schools and some neighborhood already have playground areas. Let’s use the money for greater needs. 7/15/2014 7:20 PM
7 This would be a beautiful step in the right direction…between the tracks, schools, across from a beautiful old church! 7/15/2014 7:11 PM
8 Down the road yes but with all the schools close by for recreation facilities available to the public not now. 7/15/2014 5:27 PM
9 Need to work with Pima County on this and not try to re-invent the wheek 7/15/2014 5:00 PM
10 It would be nice but don’t the kids use their school ground now? 7/15/2014 1:04 PM
11 A park is needed. A central location that would be good for most is important. 7/12/2014 12:26 AM
12 A park / playground is OK as long as its users pay for it. You use it, you pay. You don’t use it, you don’t pay. 7/7/2014 7:01 PM
13 A community that is 134 years old should have a space where families can gather and children can play. 6/29/2014 11:06 PM
14 Vail needs parks and places for people to meet. Placement depends upon multiple factors. Near the town center would be great
but not necessary.
6/29/2014 8:35 PM

Q4 How important is connectivity and safe
walkways/paths? For example, is providing
safe routes/walkways to schools, between
neighborhoods, to other regional trails like
the Arizona Trail, Pima County Loop Trail
important to the quality of life in Vail?

Answered: 145 Skipped: 1
42.07% 61 Extremely Important
40.00% 58 Somewhat Important
13.79% 20 Important
0.69% 1 No Opinion
4.14% 6 Not Important
Total Respondents: 145

1 Walking, hiking, bicycling encourage physical fitness and better health. 8/16/2014 12:02 PM
2 Anything that increases safety, and quality of living is positive. 8/14/2014 4:50 AM
3 Connectivity to all these places is one of my most important needs. 8/2/2014 6:09 PM
4 This! It’s nice to be able to walk from place to place and not get in your car for everything! Park, restaurants, and shopping all
connected by safe pedestrian routes? Yes, please!
7/29/2014 3:03 PM
5 Not sure. Doesn’t even know where the AZ Trail and Pima County Loop Trail are. 7/15/2014 7:20 PM
6 Again, vitally important for the beauty of our Town and safety of our beloved Children. 7/15/2014 7:11 PM
7 Colossal Cave road north of Old Vail Middle School, Mary Ann Cleveland, Camino Loma Alta and Old Spanish Trail have great
bike aprons. Now we need to get Pima County off their ass and fix the rest.
7/15/2014 1:04 PM
8 No dogs and no idiots with guns trying to “impress” one another. 7/7/2014 7:01 PM
9 It would be great to have a walking/bike riding path nearby 7/7/2014 4:33 PM
10 I don’t have anyone travleing those because we don’t live over there… but if my kids were on that road I’d say extremely important. 7/6/2014 9:56 PM
11 A trail system would protect our open spaces while providing safe walkways between centers of population.Connecting to AZ Trail
and Cienega Preserve! Super!
6/29/2014 11:06 PM

Q5 How important would strengthening a
sense of place and identity be in
enhancing the quality of life in Vail?

Answered: 145 Skipped: 1
Total Respondents: 145

43.45% 63 ExtremelyImportant
34.48% 50 Important
13.79% 20 Somewhat Important
6.21% 9 No Opinion
4.14% 6 Not Important
1 The stories. The Johnson Ranch, a cowboy who’s son fought in at Iwo Jima,and a recent immigrant from Mexico who was
awarded the DSC in fighting the Japanese in New Guiena.
8/16/2014 12:02 PM
2 I strongly believe everyone needs to work on this strength. 8/2/2014 6:09 PM
3 We need to know where we come from! 7/25/2014 7:44 AM
4 Not sure. What does this mean? Sounds like gov’t speak for spending money. 7/15/2014 7:20 PM
5 That’s not the sort of thing that affects my quality of life. Get a grocery store, fix the streets, have a robust Chamber, fire dept. and
sheriff’s presence.
7/15/2014 1:04 PM
6 If I have to pay for other peoples kids by getting a bond forced down my throat then, NO – it’s not important. 7/7/2014 7:01 PM
7 Unless we want to be a community of rooftops with no identity other than our HOA we need to incorporate our history and values
into the community. I want to learn more about the Native Americans and others who lived here too.
6/29/2014 11:06 PM

Q6 Is protecting natural and historic
landscapes in and around Vail important to
the quality of life for Vail residents?

Answered: 144 Skipped: 2
Total Respondents: 144
54.86% 79 Extremely Important
27.78% 40 Important
10.42% 15 Somewhat Important
2.78% 4 No Opinion
4.17% 6 Not Important
1 Ask the Tucson founding fathers who took the heart and soul of the city. The barios hardly resemble there former identities. 8/16/2014 12:02 PM
2 natural yes- historic – not so sure of since the west is so full of history it’s hard to determine Vail’s historical importance 8/7/2014 9:54 PM
3 It MUST be. I think people who live in Vail should recognize the importance of this. 8/2/2014 6:09 PM
4 This would help make the community unique and not just another ‘burb’ like Rita ranch. I don’t want a frys and a Walgreens to
define the landscape of my community.
7/29/2014 3:03 PM
5 It’s Historic, and deserves our protection. 7/15/2014 7:11 PM
6 It doesn’t have anything to do with the quality of my life. I do think we should preserve what we can within reason. 7/15/2014 1:04 PM
7 Stop trying to save the post office and esmond station. If anyone really gave a damn they would have been salvaged by now. 7/7/2014 7:01 PM
8 I sent you a facebook message about this. I believe in it whole heartedly! 7/6/2014 9:56 PM
9 I think this is so important! I am willing to make fewer extrat trips to Tucson and to have less intensive retail development. We
need to define our lifestyle by what we say our values are!
6/29/2014 11:06 PM
10 Natural more important than historic 6/29/2014 8:35 PM

Q7 How important is the preservation of
oral histories, local history, contributions of
various culture groups and heritage to the
greater Vail area?

49.65% 71 Very Important
29.37% 42 Important
13.99% 20 Somewhat Important
4.90% 7 No Opinion
2.80% 4 Not Important
Answered: 143 Skipped: 3
Total Respondents: 143
1 The past, the present, and the future shape who we are. 8/16/2014 12:02 PM
2 If we don’t recognize and respect our oral histories, we will not have existed as time goes by. 8/2/2014 6:09 PM
3 Now is our chance to preserve what could be lost forever! 7/15/2014 7:11 PM
4 You mean preserving anything “white” or anything that has to do with mining, don’t you? 7/7/2014 7:01 PM
5 I sent you a facebook message about this. I believe in it whole heartedly! 7/6/2014 9:56 PM
6 Too much of our history is being torn down or left to erode away 7/6/2014 6:00 PM
7 How else will we learn about our history? Vail was a small place and without a concerted effort our stories will be lost. 6/29/2014 11:06 PM
8 Crucial! 6/29/2014 9:36 PM

Q8 Many communities have a town center
or gateway that provides a location
residents can point to as the heart of their
community. It often provides gathering
space, space for local businesses and
artisans, it may have historic sites or
buildings and a park. How important would
such an area be to the quality of life and to
protecting the values of the greater Vail
community be?

45.83% 66 Extremely Important
34.72% 50 Important
13.19% 19 Somewhat Important
0.69% 1 No Opinion
5.56% 8 Not Important
Answered: 144 Skipped: 2
Total Respondents: 144
1 The land between the tracks. Vail Siding. 8/16/2014 12:02 PM
2 This would be helpful for residents, guests, and snowbirds alike. 8/14/2014 4:50 AM
3 If this is something other than the rodeo grounds I’d say extremely important 8/7/2014 9:54 PM
4 Vail needs an historic town center/gateway. 8/2/2014 6:09 PM
5 An excellent focal point would be the old Post Office 8/2/2014 4:54 PM
6 Loved seeing roof work on the old post office. This need to be the town center…coffee shop, bakery, museum 8/1/2014 6:22 PM
7 The original post office should be this point 7/16/2014 8:45 PM
8 This is a way to “set the pace” of our beloved Community! 7/15/2014 7:11 PM
9 Important as long as it doesn’t become a mecca for the homeless. 7/15/2014 1:04 PM
10 I’m a 5th grade student at Acacia Elementary School,I believe saving the post office is Extremely important , Chloe Bartenslager 7/14/2014 7:36 PM
11 The greater Vail area has yet to identify the heart of the community. 7/11/2014 6:16 PM
12 Vail residents do not have the necessary fortitude for such a town center. They are McDonalds and Wal-Mart people who are
takers, not givers, and only want cheap, Cheap CHEAP..
7/7/2014 7:01 PM
13 I feel we already do have this type of center it could always improve though. 7/6/2014 9:56 PM
14 What a wonderful thing this would be!!! A place to gather, families to spend free time, our local artisans to be featured-Wow! Can
we do this???
6/29/2014 11:06 PM
15 A must for VPS 6/21/2014 10:31 PM

Q9 Would you support the development of
a Vail Heritage Park District?

48.25% 69 Extremely Important
38.46% 55 Important
6.29% 9 Somewhat important
6.99% 10 Not Important
Answered: 143 Skipped: 3
Total Respondents: 143
# Would you fund a Park District at $25. annually? Date
1 yes. 8/16/2014 12:02 PM
2 yes 8/13/2014 10:05 PM
3 depends on plans 8/11/2014 5:26 PM
4 Yes 8/10/2014 11:49 AM
5 Depends on where/what this all looks like. So much of the vail community are commuter working folks. 8/7/2014 9:54 PM
6 Absolutely. 8/2/2014 6:09 PM
7 Yes, even though I don’t reside in Vail. It’s important to everyone to preserve our heritage. 8/2/2014 4:54 PM
8 yes 7/31/2014 6:15 AM
9 Yes 7/30/2014 7:50 AM
10 Definitely, especially if I don’t have to think about it. 7/29/2014 3:03 PM
11 No 7/29/2014 2:37 PM
12 Yes 7/29/2014 5:59 AM
13 yes 7/28/2014 10:47 AM
14 yes 7/27/2014 9:19 PM
15 Depends on how it was gathered. 7/27/2014 4:32 PM
16 Yes 7/27/2014 11:29 AM
17 Would love to see a place that could be a gathering place with cofee and maybe outdoor movies and local shops. 7/25/2014 8:11 AM
18 Yes 7/25/2014 7:52 AM
19 yes J would. 7/24/2014 7:49 AM
20 Yes. 7/16/2014 10:17 PM
21 what would the $25 include for a resident? 7/16/2014 8:45 PM
22 I would donate $25.00 annually. 7/16/2014 2:43 PM
23 yes 7/16/2014 9:10 AM
24 yes 7/16/2014 6:50 AM
25 There would need to be APPROPRIATE use of the funds and accountability — not squandered. Would it be mandatory or could
people opt out if they felt the money wasn’t being used wisely?
7/15/2014 7:20 PM
26 ABSOLUTELY! 7/15/2014 7:11 PM
27 yes 7/15/2014 7:03 PM
28 It depeneds, if it had an association with the group that tried to incorporate, then no. Ethics are very important to me and the most
recent group did not involve the community in a meaningful or transparent way.
7/15/2014 5:00 PM
29 Yes 7/15/2014 4:18 PM
30 Yes 7/15/2014 3:07 PM
31 Yes 7/15/2014 2:47 PM
32 Depends on what is in the park district 7/15/2014 1:42 PM
33 As a General Contractor living in Vail, we would like the opportunity to be High on the Bid List as we live in the community. 7/15/2014 1:38 PM
34 no 7/15/2014 1:32 PM
35 Yes, or more. 7/15/2014 1:04 PM
36 Would an improvement district help us? 7/12/2014 12:26 AM
37 No!!! 7/11/2014 6:16 PM
38 yes 7/9/2014 5:23 PM
39 no 7/9/2014 5:14 PM
40 ABSOLUTELY NOT. There are plenty of existing entities within existing county infrastructure that can manage such a proposal. 7/7/2014 7:01 PM
41 Yes 7/7/2014 8:55 AM
42 If I knew more about what a Park District entails. 7/6/2014 9:56 PM
43 I think we should look into forming a Park District. A “Town Center/Heritage District” would be so beneficial for local business and
as a place to gather.
6/29/2014 11:06 PM
44 Though, I don’t live in Vail. 6/29/2014 8:35 PM
45 yes 6/29/2014 6:14 PM
46 yes 6/29/2014 5:37 PM
47 Maybe 6/27/2014 4:12 PM

Q10 How do you define Vail? How big is
Vail?

38.85% 54 Vail School District Boundaries
13.67% 19 Defined Census Area
20.86% 29 Postal Service Area (zip codes)
12.23% 17 Vail’s original town site between the railroad tracks
17.27% 24 Not sure
Answered: 139 Skipped: 7
Total Respondents: 146
1 400 sq miles. Includes the Southern Pacific railroad line, Johnson Ranch, Vail Siding, Colossal Cave, Happy Valley, Hilton
Ranch. 8/16/2014 12:02 PM
2 A growing, unique, family oriented town. 8/14/2014 4:50 AM
3 It’s the one that’s NOT in Colorado. 8/13/2014 10:05 PM
4 In general, when in Tucson people refer to Vail as anywhere within the school district, which is huge. 8/7/2014 9:54 PM
5 The Vail School District 8/3/2014 6:49 PM
6 Vail extends from Mescal Road on the East, Hilton Ranch on the South, Wilmot Road on the West, and the Rincon Mountains on
the North.
8/2/2014 6:09 PM
7 We have always considered ourselves to live “in Vail.” At one time our area was give the opportunity to choose to have Vail or
Tucson as our zip code. Tucson won as mist people drive into town anyway so the post office was more convenient. We’ve lived
in acreage since before the subdivisions all sprouted up. We live near Spanish Trail/Irvington. We are Vail…I guess you could use
the tax boundaries?
8/1/2014 6:54 PM
8 At least the school district and the zip code 8/1/2014 12:13 PM
9 A safe community with a great school district. 7/31/2014 6:15 AM
10 Dairy Queen Small 7/29/2014 12:26 PM
11 the best! 7/28/2014 10:47 AM
12 Beautiful environment 7/28/2014 7:14 AM
13 southeast Tucson 7/27/2014 9:19 PM
14 A collection of neighborhoods surrounded by natural beauty that needs a center 7/27/2014 11:29 AM
15 suburb getaway 7/25/2014 11:32 AM
16 Across the tracks from Corona de Tucson 7/25/2014 9:52 AM
17 Rincons to Houghton, then down to the Coronado National Park line 7/24/2014 7:49 AM
18 Still trying to find downown…. 7/16/2014 3:37 PM
19 I do not support anything that would restrict traffice between the tracks. Rebuild replica near I10 with park. 7/16/2014 9:00 AM
20 I-10 to Colossal Cave, Houghton from I-10 towards Civano, east at least to 83, maybe a little farther. 7/15/2014 7:20 PM
21 An Historic Community much loved by those of us fortunate enough to call it HOME! GORGEOUS and deserving of our avid
protection! 7/15/2014 7:11 PM
22 Bad choice of questions. One, two and three involves to much area to be logical! 7/15/2014 5:27 PM
23 The boundaries within the Vail School District,to a certain extent, more by zip code, unless specific communities as a whole do
not wish to be identified with Vail or wish to keep their own identity completely separate-ie Corona De Tucona, 7/15/2014 5:00 PM
24 Though I lived in Rita Ranch and now Civano, I tell people I live in Vail. 7/15/2014 2:47 PM
25 NOT CITY OF TUCSON AND DON’T WANT TO BE 7/15/2014 1:48 PM
26 A very large Area with a lot of Potential—–!!! 7/15/2014 1:38 PM
27 I live in Rita Ranch and have 4 kids in the Vail School, best in the world. Not technically a Vail resident but close. 🙂 7/15/2014 1:38 PM
28 I think of Vail as east of Houghton and north of I-10 7/15/2014 1:04 PM
29 I am a fourth grade student at Acacia Elementary School. I think that it is extremely important that the Vail Post Office is saved. 7/14/2014 7:37 PM
30 Those areas that self-identify as Vail. 7/12/2014 12:26 AM
31 I grew up there Vail is Vail to me. its odd thats its expanded but I love all of the changes. bring in QT!! 7/10/2014 9:27 PM
32 north of I-10; only west to Houghton; north to mountain boundaries. 7/7/2014 9:33 PM
33 Vail is NOT south of I-10. It is NOT the area of New Tucson. It is NOT the area of Corona de Tucson. 7/7/2014 7:01 PM
34 Anything East of Houghton, South of Irvington, West Marsh Station and North of I-10 7/7/2014 8:55 AM
35 HUGE… I’m a teacher and some students take an hour to get to us in the morning! Vail is huge! 7/6/2014 9:56 PM
36 Vail should also be defined by those who self-identify as living in Vail! 6/29/2014 11:06 PM
37 Definitely not Vail School District boundaries. I live in Rita Ranch, not Vail. I don’t want to be paying taxes or fees to Tucson and
Vail. Rita Ranch isn’t really part of Vail. As development continues along Mary Ann Cleveland, the two areas may merge more,
but I’m not sure they will truly merge. Even though Vail isn’t far, it doesn’t seem close either.
6/29/2014 8:35 PM
38 Area north of I-10. Between Houghton and Exit 281 To me South of I-10 is Corona de Tucson. 6/27/2014 4:12 PM

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